Discuss Exodus 4

  • Duncan - 7 months ago
    Part 2

    -Wherefore When He died at the cross and purge our sins By Himself and rose on the Third day, He gave gifts unto men to be apostles, prophets, evangelist pastors and some to be teachers. ( Ephesians 4:7, KJV) This is clearly seen across different churches and in many Christians who have repented of their sins at the cross and believed in the Lord Jesus Christ the son of the Living God.

    - It is also important to note that God put his power in Moses' rode, but it was upon Moses to pick it and use it. but according to Gods will ( exodus 4:1-3, KJV)

    And Remember Elijah a man like us tempted like we are but prayed earnestly and the rain ceased and yet Elijah was a man like us ( James 5:17, KJV)

    -The writer of the Book James clearly point this out to all Christians (those who have repented at the cross and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God) they that take head according to the word of God ( Psalms 119:9, KJV)

    -That if there is anyone sick, let him call the elders of the church to pray for him anointing him with oil in the name of The Lord and the prayer of FAITH will save the sick and if he has committed sin the Lord will forgive Him.

    -Moreover, in James 5:16, KJV) God clearly points this to us that we are to confess our trespasses to one other and to pray for one other that we may be Healed.

    -For if we confess our sins to each other, we will remain humble in the Lord and when we pray with earnestly before God without doubting ( 1 timothy 2:8, KJV) the Lord is faithful who will also do it

    Remember prayer is not a shopping list but worshiping the Lord God with Your heart mind and soul.

    The conclusion of the matter.

    -The Lord still heals the blind, heals the sick and raises the dead according to the Scriptures.

    And He does not change but we me and you we change and if we pray in mockery and be covetous in ministry.

    -Prophesying for attention picking and choosing the portions of the Scriptures that we want to believe
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Numbers 13:30 - 11 months ago
    You're welcome Gigi.

    Look how God's longsuffering and everlasting mercy plays a role in the Nation!

    Here's a few points that's often overlooked in this portion of scripture.

    Israel was already given the law at this time, however the keeping of the law played no role in them entering the promise land.

    Lack of faith did.

    There were no requirements on their part but to trust in the unconditional promises God gave to Abraham.

    It's God's reputation and ability to provide those promises was and still is on display.

    As we look ahead into Ch 14 we see Moses making intercession for Israel by God's promises, "Not Israel's faithfulness"

    Notice Numbers 14:11-16.

    Today the Church has joined this group in their mockery of God's promises!

    God could have ended it right there but he made Promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob "who's later named Israel" that he will make a nation out of them and they would inherit a Land that he laid out.

    That's important because they have NEVER possessed all the Land. But they will!

    Look at the means by which Moses petition God on the behalf of Israel in Numbers 14:17-

    And now, I beseech thee, let the power of my LORD be great, according as thou hast spoken, saying,

    The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

    Pardon, I beseech thee, the iniquity of THIS PEOPLE according unto the greatness of thy mercy, and as thou hast forgiven THIS PEOPLE, from Egypt even until now.

    The Nation of Israel is given mercy and inheritance as God's first born.

    Exodus 4:22.

    Isaiah 14:1-2.

    Hosea 2:23.

    According to Paul he's not done with them and the promises will be fulfilled to them as a Nation and first born.

    Romans 10:19-21 through

    Romans 11:1-4.

    Conclusion.

    Romans 11:30-32.

    God bless.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 12 months ago
    Aaron was given to Moses as his "mouthpiece" so to speak after his many protests on not being a man of learned speech and such in Exodus 4:10. Moses tested God quite a bit with his trepidation which was a side affect of being the most humble man alive (See Numbers 12:3). This caused Aaron to be a thorn in his side. There were two ways to approach the masses; with dogged determination to God's will as Moses demonstrated; and to acquiesce to their pleas. We see a similar pattern with the sacrifice made the wrong way by Saul in 1 Samuel 13:9. Ultimately; Saul was shown to have a rebellious self seeking life that went away from true worship of God; in this verse he was also trying to placate people ignoring God's methodology to his own peril. That was one step away from idolotry.

    Aaron's sin was basically equivalent to a death penalty; breaking the 1st commandment; and with the sexual things implied many other things deserving such an end such as is indicated in verses 6 and 25. Poor Moses had to go another 40 days fasting after his first fast; and acted as intercessor then and several other times when God wanted to destroy the whole lot of the exiles and start anew. In the end only Caleb and Joshua from that generation survived; all the rest that made it into the Promised Land were the children of the original families that came out of Egypt.

    Moses also had to deal with Miriam when she made a fuss about his Ethiopian wife in Numbers 12:10. Aaron could have been more proactive in dealing with it before her leprosy came as punishment.

    This should serve as a warning to all; especially when a great spiritual victory has just happened such as a genuine move of God. Rebellion is as witchcraft ( 1 Samuel 15:23); and stems from the same root of corruption. This is why we can't just proclaim we are Christians without evidence of trust in God; fear of the Lord and other such good fruit being evident. We also must choose God over popular opinions.
  • MountHoreb - In Reply - 12 months ago
    Yes. Pharaoh during the days of Moses.

    is a key example. Exodus 4:4-9

    Despite the evidence, refused to

    believe. Exodus 9:27-30; Exodus 9:33-35

    Denying Jesus was blaspheming against

    the spirit. John 1:14-18; Matthew 5:17,18; Matthew 7:28,29

    and refusing his father in heaven who sent

    Jesus also. Matthew 3:16,17; John 3:14-18
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Abrahamic Covenant.

    Part 2.

    In Genesis 15, God alone moves between the halves of the animals. Abraham was in a deep sleep. God's solitary action indicates that the covenant is principally His promise. God binds Himself to the covenant.

    Later, God gave Abraham the rite of circumcision as the specific sign of the Abrahamic Covenant ( Genesis 17:9-14). All males in Abraham's line were to be circumcised and thus carry with them a lifelong mark in their flesh that they were part of God's physical blessing in the world. Any descendant of Abraham who refused circumcision was declaring himself to be outside of God's covenant; this explains why God was angry with Moses when Moses failed to circumcise his son ( Exodus 4:24-26).

    God determined to call out a special people for Himself, and through that special people He would bless the whole world. The Lord tells Abram,

    "I will make you into a great nation,

    and I will bless you;

    I will make your name great,

    and you will be a blessing.

    I will bless those who bless you,

    and whoever curses you I will curse;

    and all peoples on earth

    will be blessed through you" ( Genesis 12:2-3).

    Based on this promise, God later changed Abram's name from Abram ("high father") to Abraham ("father of a multitude") in Genesis 17:5. As we've seen, the Abrahamic Covenant is unconditional. It should also be taken literally. There is no need to spiritualize the promise to Abraham. God's promises to Abraham's descendants will be fulfilled literally.

    The Abrahamic Covenant included the promise of land ( Genesis 12:1). It was a specific land, an actual property, with dimensions specified in Genesis 15:18-21. In Genesis 13:15, God gives Abraham all the land that he can see, and the gift is declared to be "forever." God was not going to renege on His promise. The territory given as part of the Abrahamic Covenant is expanded in Deuteronomy 30:1-10, often called the Palestinian Covenant.

    See Part 3.
  • Duncan - In Reply on Matthew 19 - 1 year ago
    Hi, Giannis

    God is the creator of all children. according to his will Just wanted to point out this

    Exodus 4:11

    The LORD said to him, "Who gave human beings their mouths? Who makes them deaf or mute? Who gives them sight or makes them blind? Is it not I, the LORD?
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello Mary-Jo. In Exodus 4:18-26 we read of this sad account. Moses had failed in his duty to have his son circumcised on the eighth day, as prescribed by the Law. Moses had two sons: Gershom & Eliezer. It may well be that Eliezer is referred to here & Moses even at this late stage, had not fulfilled the Law. Moses & his Midianitish wife, Zipporah, were travelling with their sons when the Lord met them & desired to afflict Moses with a punishment leading to his death. We're not told why Moses was remiss in this act; maybe because other matters pressed upon his mind or even being in the Midian environment where circumcision was unacceptable, he planned to do it later on; but in this encounter with God's Hand heavily upon him, Zipporah stepped in & performed the circumcision herself thereby sparing Moses' life.
  • T. L - In Reply - 1 year ago
    It's not judged by years: Luke 23:34-43, Matthew 13, 1Peter 2:2, Hebrews 5:12,13,14,

    Exodus 4:12, Deuteronomy 4, Deuteronomy 5:31, Deuteronomy 6:7, Matthew 5:19, 1Timothy 4:11,

    2Timothy 2:15, Jeremiah 1:7,

    Why do you ask? I hope these help answer the root question
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Mark 8 - 1 year ago
    Mark 8:22-26, this seems to be the same account witnessed by John: John 9, whole chapter, note: Exodus 4:11, & John 9:1,3,32,33,39,

    Matthew 9:27-31, notice: Mark 10:47-52, this guys "faith, immediately" Luke 18:35-43, notice, the situation you referred to: John 9:35-39,

    Psalms 146:8, Isaiah 29:18, Isaiah 35:5,6, Isaiah 42:1-21, here in: Matthew 11:5, Luke 7:22, Jesus pointed out the fulfilled prophecy in those ancient scriptures. Matthew 15:31,

    Mark 6:1-6,

    The mind is a powerful thing, Mark 9:23, Mark 11:23,24, Mark 16:17,

    Luke 8:49-50, even death Jesus said "fear not: believe only" ._.

    Was it the man's doubt?

    Was it an example to not give up, keep trying, keep seeking the miraculous, healings? To encourage us to press on, keep believing, keep trying. (?) or all the above._.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks Alex. I got that reference ( Exodus 3:15). You may have missed my reply further up the thread when you mentioned that reference rather than the one I took as an example ( Exodus 4:5). So in that comment I gave to you, I mentioned that you changed what God said (I AM the God of Abraham, etc.) to My Name is Abraham, etc. I realize you gave your explanation as to why you believe God's Name is Abraham, etc., but you haven't explained why you've changed the wording & meaning. Just to support a belief doesn't warrant changing a verse to suit that belief. A belief must arise from the Word given & understood in its normal sense.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks Alex. I simply used Exodus 4:5, in the absence of a Scripture from you. But I'll now refer to Exodus 3:15 which you gave, and that is, "And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations?"

    If we focus on this verse alone, I can somewhat see where you get the idea that God's Name is Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob. Unfortunately, this verse doesn't stand alone; in most cases with Scripture we have to read around the verse addressed to learn the context & meaning. Remember when Moses spoke to God & said that when he goes to the children of Israel, they will ask him, "What is his name?" (v13). And God replies at verse 14, "I AM THAT I AM - I AM (hath sent me unto you)." This is God's Name.

    Now to get to your type of 'trinity' (i.e. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, & then relating that to Father, Son & Grandson) shows an incorrect understanding of Exodus 3:13-15. I don't believe in the normal reading of these verses, that anyone would think of such an application & further developing into your beliefs. When God said, "this is my name forever", God was speaking about the Name he gave to Moses to give to Israel - which is I AM THAT I AM. But if one is compelled to force your interpretation to it, then God's Name is, "The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob" - His Name is the LORD God, & not 'my Name IS Abraham, Isaac & Jacob'. So even here, you've taken out 'OF' & inserted 'IS'. So I see an important word change that you've made. And if you want to retain 'OF', then it equally makes no sense as God's Name.

    Alex, please re-read that passage as given & not to support some variant theology that leads further away from Truth.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Well Alex, I've read all that before, but it still doesn't answer the question using Exodus 4:5, 'when did the God OF Abraham, Isaac & Jacob become, My Name IS Abraham, Isaac & Jacob'? The point I'm making, & I hope you can see it, is that once we change a Scripture, whether its wording or meaning, then everything we might build on that Scripture will be faulty. So, why did you make that change? What base (or, rule of interpretation) do you use to alter the wording & meaning of Scripture? If we can find that God's Name IS Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, then we might have room to consider your other thoughts. Let us not attempt to re-write God's Word to suit our theology.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks Alex for your response. If I could nail down a few things.

    a. "a baby Christ which is the H.G"; "That cannot speak for a while simply b/c he is an infant". So are you saying that we can't receive the Holy Ghost & being born again because He (the Spirit) is still an infant? So when are we born again? If we can't be born again now, how do you account for spiritual gifts, power to live for God, a longing to be with Him? A carnal man without the Spirit cannot enjoy these things nor desire them - they are foolishness to him.

    b. can you give me a reference where God told Moses that His Name was Abraham, Isaac & Jacob? I only see references in my Bible such as Exodus 4:5, "That they may believe that the LORD God OF their fathers, the God OF Abraham, the God OF Isaac, and the God OF Jacob, hath appeared unto thee?" They never speak of God's Name being what you state, but that God is the God OF

    c. I know that "the night cometh, when no man can work", which means we need to do God's Work while it is still 'day'. But my point was, why should the Gospel be preached NOW, when, as you believe, that the day will come when all men will bow down to the Lord, those alive & those who have died? If God has determined that all will be saved one day, why is there a need to share the Gospel with the unsaved - they're going to be saved anyway regardless whether they know anything about Jesus' Sacrifice or not, or whether they have given any regard to their sinful state or not?
  • Ambassador in bonds Part 1 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jan Rene Ann Maudlin:

    Exodus 4:13

    And he said, O my Lord, send, I pray thee, by the hand of him whom thou wilt send.

    1 Corinthians 15:1

    Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

    1 Corinthians 15:2

    By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

    1 Corinthians 15:3

    For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

    1 Corinthians 15:4

    And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    Revelation 1:5

    And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    1 John 1:7

    But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    Romans 8:6

    For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

    1 John 1:7

    But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    Romans 8:14

    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    Romans 8:16

    The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

    James 4:7

    Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

    2 Thessalonians 3:3

    But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

    Romans 8:9

    But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
  • Ambassador in bonds - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I

    Exodus 4:13

    And he said, O my Lord, send, I pray thee, by the hand of him whom thou wilt send.

    1 Corinthians 15:1

    Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

    1 Corinthians 15:2

    By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

    1 Corinthians 15:3

    For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

    1 Corinthians 15:4

    And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    Revelation 1:5

    And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    1 John 1:7

    But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    Romans 8:6

    For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

    1 John 1:7

    But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    Romans 8:14

    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    Romans 8:16

    The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

    James 4:7

    Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

    2 Thessalonians 3:3

    But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

    Romans 8:9

    But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    Romans 8:15

    For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
  • Dav47 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    In exodus 4:21= I will harden=I will embolden; Hebrew idiom active verbs of doing are used of suffering or permitting a thing to be done.

    Ro. 9:18 (hardeneth=suffereth to be). eg.

    here; Hebr. hazak to brace or tighten up (opposition to relax); This particular use is used 13 times.

    GOD didn't do anything that Pharaoh and the leaders were already willing and going to do. GOD allowed him to burden the people just as HE allowed Satan to test Job. Pharaoh considered himself a god and caused the people much hardship with his insatiable appetite for building. Many Israelite's would have died if HE didn't do this. GOD will not turn a person to do evil; it is your choice and free will to do so.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Psalms 23 - 2 years ago
    Psalms 23,

    Rod: Exodus 4:17,

    Job 9:34, Job 21:9, Psalms 2:9, Psalms 89:32, Psalms 125:3, Proverbs 10:13, Proverbs 13:24, Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 23:13,14, Proverbs 26:3,

    Proverbs 29:15, Isaiah 9:4, Isaiah 10:5, Isaiah 10:15, Isaiah 10:26, Isaiah 11:1,4, Jeremiah 10:16, Revelation 12:25,

    Staff: Genesis 32:10, Genesis 38:18, Exodus 12:17, Exodus 21:19, Leviticus 26:26, Numbers 13:23, Judges 6:21, 2Samuel 3:29, 2Samuel 23:7,21, 2Kings 4:29,31, 2Kings 18:21, Isaiah 3:1, Isaiah 14:5, Isaiah 28:27,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 2 Chronicles 7 - 2 years ago
    Hi Dan.

    I'm not sure the emphasis is on Gods name.

    The emphasis is on Gods possession in his people.

    Exodus 4:22-23. And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

    And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me:...

    Also:

    "Prophetic."

    Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.

    They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: FOR I AM A FATHER TO ISRAEL, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Jeremiah 31:8-9.

    Israel was to be set apart.

    Exodus 19:5.

    2 Chronicles 7:10-16. And on the three and twentieth day of the seventh month he sent the people away into their tents, glad and merry in heart for the goodness that the LORD had shewed unto David, and to Solomon, and to Israel his people.

    Thus Solomon finished the house of the LORD, and the king's house: and all that came into Solomon's heart to make in the house of the LORD, and in his own house, he prosperously effected.

    And the LORD appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice.

    If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;

    If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

    For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

    God bless.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Please read: Numbers 14:18, Numbers 14:19, Deuteronomy 7:9, 2Peter 3:9,



    Numbers 20:7-12, is a portion of the whole story & reason.

    Let's look at the bigger picture:

    Numbers 20:12, please note it says "Because you believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore._._" , Please read Exodus, Moses' doubts: Exodus 3:11,13, Exodus 4:1,3,10,14, Exodus 4:24-26, Exodus 5:22, Exodus 6:12, Exodus 6:30, Exodus 14:11-15, Exodus 16:2-28, Exodus 17:2-7, Exodus 32:11-19,30,31,32,33, Exodus 33:1-3, Numbers 11:1-15, mercy ( Numbers 11:16-20,) Numbers 11:21-23, * Numbers 13, Numbers 13:30,31,32, * Numbers 14, very significant I believe, when they were supposed to take the promised land please read Numbers chapters 13 & 14, & notice: Numbers 13:30, Numbers 14:24, Numbers 14:22-23,

    Psalms 95:6-11, note Psalms 95:10-11,

    Hebrews 3:5-19, Luke 13:24, Mark 10:15,

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 2 years ago
    Thanks GiGi. I could only learn this from referring to the Hebrew text (& translation), where in Genesis 2:4 the Hebrew clearly shows "in the day that the LORD (YHWH) God (Elohim) made the earth and the heavens". And not being a Hebrew reader, I can only read it as given, that it is 'God Who is YHWH', Who has done all these things & now communing with man & woman.

    Given that the Genesis writer is generally accepted as being Moses (written between 1450 & 1410 BC), where he would have been given special grace to relate these events that he personally had not experienced, it could be that God was already showing him that 'special' connection to His people Israel, yet future, was already set in Adam & Eve.

    Yet, would all those living pre-Moses (i.e. pre- Exodus 3:13,14), even know that 'special' Name? Exodus 6:3, says that the 'Name YHWH was not known to the patriarchs'. And yet we know that they were aware of it, like Abraham ( Genesis 15:7; Genesis 22:14), Jacob ( Genesis 27:20) & others knew that Name. But did they only know OF that Name but did not know Him fully, the full depth of understanding of the Name, YHWH? This debate probably still goes on. But when the children of Israel were in slavery in Egypt for over 400 years, that Name which should have been remembered & faithfully passed on, was forgotten, hence their need for an urgent reminder by Moses.

    And "why should the Israelites listen to Moses & trust God?" There were four tokens of identification of this 'forgotten' God: the one of His Name ( Exodus 3:14, I AM: I've read that it is the inner meaning of YHWH - I Am the One Who Is); the one of the rod/serpent ( Exodus 4:1-5); the one of the leprous hand ( Exodus 4:6-8); & the one of the river of blood ( Exodus 4:9). I guess that any one or all of these signs should have confirmed Moses' call without any dispute & revealed to the Israelites unequivocally Who the One was Who had heard their cries & come to save them.
  • Steve - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 2 years ago
    "Him" is the child.
  • Dennis Loreto Giacomino - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 2 years ago
    According to Dr. Peter Ruckman, "The problem here is that Moses had become bitter toward God because of Exodus 2:12-15 and refused to circumcise his own firstborn. He had not obeyed the Abramic covenant in circumcising the child on the eighth day after he was born".
  • Chris - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 2 years ago
    Hello Neville. Many months ago I had shared my understanding of this Scripture ( Exodus 4:24-26) to someone else, so I replicate that answer for you here:

    "Yes, this is a difficult verse to place, given the context of the other verses around it. It is understood that God is now dealing with Moses on another issue. The first matter was about Moses giving excuses as to why he could not approach Pharaoh & speak God's Word to him. Moses eventually agreed to do it, given that Aaron would be his mouthpiece.

    Then in verse 24, we find that God had some reason for taking Moses' life. It wasn't about the former matter but about Moses' neglect in circumcising his son. It may be because of his marriage to the Midianitish woman, Zipporah, & some issue of circumcision had come up that caused him to overlook or refuse to do this act. There could have been other (negative) dealings by God on this family as well, which then compelled Zipporah to take matter into her own hands (so to speak) & do the circumcising herself. Whatever it was, God seemed appeased by Zipporah's actions, that which Moses had failed to perform."
  • Gigi - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 2 years ago
    Neville

    Him in this passage is Moses. Bring an Israelite, Moses would have been circumcised as an infant. When his own son was born when he was between 40 and 80, Moses did not circumcise his son in all those years.
  • Neville Stewart on Exodus 4 - 2 years ago
    I am puzzled.

    24And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him.

    25Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.

    26So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

    "the LORD met him, and sought to kill him."

    Who is "him"? and why this attempt?
  • GiGi again on Exodus 4 - 2 years ago
    To speak further on Ch. 4, in verse 24 God is said to seek to kill Moses due to is son not being circumcised. Moses must have known to do this because His parents had circumcised him. But perhaps the customs of Midian had delayed circumcision to a later time in life. But just like Ishmael and Esau, the sons of Keturah (who with Abraham produced the Midianites) would have been circumcised. Did this practice continue in the ensuing generations or had it fell out of practice among these other descendants of Abraham? Obviously, Moses probably didn't know much about the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. His mother nursed him for 2-3 years and then when weaned, he went to live with the Egyptian princess. He may not have had a lot of contact with is family after that time. In Midian, under Jethro's instruction Moses may have learned some about God, but because the Midianites were not descendants of the promise from Abraham, they may have fallen away from relationship from Him. Jethro may have been one exception, and even then, he may not have known much about the life and times of Jacob and family. They lived a ways from the land of Canaan and Midian was isolated with the sea and mountains surrounding their land. Apparently, Zipporah knew why God rose up to kill Moses. She knew that her son's privates looked different from her husbands and perhaps Jethro had taught her about circumcision, but Moses refused to do it. So, Zipporah was a Godsend, along with Jethro, as we will later learn.

    Moses took his family to Egypt. He must have known that there would be danger for them, but he must not have wanted to be separated from them or else God had instructed Him to take them. We know these children were under 40 years old, but we do not know if they were very young or young men. Imagine your mom taking a sharp stone and using it to circumcise you! Yikes.

    Moses and Aaron learn obedience to God is very important in this event. I wonder how close God came to killing Moses?
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Exodus 19 - 2 years ago
    Exodus 19:11-12, please note: Exodus 19:16-25, Exodus 20:18-21, (Expdus 23:22-24, 31-33) , Exodus 24:1-3,7, Exodus 24:9-11, Exodus 24:12-18, Exodus 32:1-7, Exodus 32:8-11,13,14,15,19,21,22, Exodus 32:35, Exodus 33:5, Exodus 33:11-23, Exodus 34:6-7, Exodus 34:30, Exodus 40:34-35, Leviticus 10:1-2,3,

    Exodus 2:13-14, Exodus 4:23-26, Exodus 5:20-21, Exodus 6:9, Exodus 14:10-12, Exodus 15:24, Exodus 16:2,3, Exodus 16:19-20, Exodus 16:25-28, Exodus 17:2-4,

    Hebrews 13:17,

    Hopefully these are helpful to understand more fully the reason.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    "I AM, THAT I AM," If i had my Exhaustive Concordance I could try & tell you the Hebrew, Greek, etc. It may be significant that HE, GOD ALMIGHTY says Exodus 3:15,

    Exodus 4:5, Genesis 26:24, John 8:39, Matthew 3:9, Luke 3:8, Mark 12:26, Matthew 22:32, Luke 20:37, Acts 7:32,

    Galatians 3:6,
  • Matt - In Reply on Exodus 4 - 2 years ago
    Hello Alfonso! I hope I am able to help, Lord willing, answer your questions.

    The answer to your first question is 'no.' It isn't a sin for a Christian to wear jewelry, so long as it is done in moderation. Harlots wore a lot of jewelry and makeup to ''advertise'' who they were in the old testament, but I see nothing wrong with it if done tastefully. God likens true Israel to a bride ( His bride) and mentions jewelry in Ezekiel chapter 16 verses 11-13. If God Himself is fine with it, we should be, also.

    The answer to your second question is, again, 'no.' It is not a sin for a woman to wear pants. Some bible thumpers will pull Deuteronomy chapter 22 verse 5 and assume that is what that means, but that pertains to unnatural sexual acts. In other words, a man is not to take the place of a woman in a sexual act and vice versa for a woman. (Leviticus chapter 18 verse 22; Romans chapter 1 verses 26-32) to name some examples.

    When The Lord gave His life for us on the cross, He descended into heaven. But, He went to the 'prison' to preach to the souls who didn't have an opportunity to know Him in 1 Peter chapter 3 verses 18-20. To help better understand this, read about 'the gulf' in Luke chapter 16 and 2nd Esdras chapter 7 in the Apocrypha by Edgar J. Goodspeed. Hope all of this has helped.
  • Alfonso F King on Exodus 4 - 2 years ago
    Please help me answer the below questions:

    1. According to the Bible, is it a sin for a Christian to wear jewelry?

    2. Is it a sin for Christian Women to put on trousers?

    3. Some Christians in our days are claiming that they died, went to hell and was rescued from hell by Jesus. Is this possible based on scriptures?

    Thank you.

    Bro. Alfonso


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